Bille: hi all, sorry i'm late Dthknight: see more and more people coming now :) Chloe: Hey Tex. kellee: hi bille King Tex: Hi Chloe Dthknight: Chloe: don't say names :) Chloe: no prob billie. Everybody else is late too.:) Dthknight: Unless of course he'd already spoke when you heard that :) Chloe: hey omega Dthknight: er when you said that :) Omega: hi Chloe :) Bille: so... there will be 10 mins till it all starts? Dthknight: hi Omega, Tex :) Bille: hi Omega Omega: hi Dth :) Omega: hi Bille :) Chloe: well shoulda started five minutes ago but we'll wait a few minutes Dthknight: Tex: I don't believe you're teaching, so... can you perhaps turn off the PS? :) Dthknight: or are you doing the !/? thing for Chloe? Chloe: no tex needs to have it on so he can take notes. he's gonna do the log. Dthknight: you don't need PS for logging anymore, remember you can now hear 50 people, Chloe :) armygeddon: hello :) Dthknight: Otherwise I'd have PS on myself to log for myself :) Mauz: hi armygeddon Dthknight: hi army :) Paul: Nice to see things are loading today. armygeddon: Hiyas!! everyone... Dthknight: don't jinx us Paul :) Mauz: good to hear Paul :) Chloe: Hold on everybody. People are still telegramming me that they're showing up. Chloe: We'll get the meeting started in a minute. :) Bluescruiser:armygeddon: K :) Dthknight: "a minute" being figurative, I hope :) armygeddon: *waiting patiently* HURRY UP PPL! :) Dthknight: cos a literal "minute" won't be long enough for "people" to show up :) Beardo: Hi, sorry if I'm late :) Chloe: duh dth. :) Dthknight: hi Beardo :) Mauz: hi Beardo :) Mauz: congrats for the building award, Beardo ;) Beardo: still downloading :) Dthknight: is it me or did Beardo lag us? :) Chloe: hey Beardo. :) Bille: hi Beardo:) armygeddon: brb Bluescruiser: wffs.... grrrrr Dthknight: hmm Beardo disappeared King Tex: his av wasn't loading Chloe: he'll be back Chloe: waiting for grover... Dthknight: it did for me - Harold Chloe: speak of the devil. LOL! Beardo: hmm... Chloe: Well okay if this is it, we're gonna start. Bluescruiser: Chloe: Nobody on anybody's contact lists that's not here? grover: hello! Mauz: ok Dth satisfied? ;) Dthknight: oopsie Mauz, sorry :) Chloe: okay. gues we'll start. Dthknight: stupid wfs and stupid clicking-on-wrong-person :) Chloe: Welcome to the first meeting "of the season." :) Bluescruiser: hmmmm normally I'm too broke to pay attention Beardo: hi again :) Chloe: We have unfinished business as regards to the restoration of the GZ project that we started three months ago Dthknight: Chloe we just had wfs, we can't really stat :) Dthknight: er start Chloe: okay. We'll wait a minute Chloe: Let me know when everybody is not wfs Paul: I'm ok Bluescruiser: all clear here Beardo: I'm okey now :) Mauz: i'm ok you're ok grover: i'm not wfs... having other connection probs tho King Tex: thhe French delegate has arrived ; - ))) Bille: wfc Dthknight: LOL if I'm talking I don't have wfs :) Bluescruiser: I propose we dip into the treasury to buy mgib a decent pair of socks........ Chloe: hahahaha grover: ahh! i can finally see the ground! Chloe: mgib has all the socks he can wear mgib: socks I call decent are very expensive armygeddon: i'm wfd=waiting for downloads :) Chloe: *bows to mgib* Bluescruiser: you'll wear the Standfords and like them. Dthknight: I'm wfdmtfts... waiting for DM to fix the server :) Chloe: ok so unless anybody objects, I'm gonna go on with the speech. Beardo: the server got hickup :) mgib: are you sure it's safe to ask him to fix the server? Chloe: is he working on it? grover: LOL Dthknight: it's on ISDN right now Chloe King Tex: supposedly he is Dthknight: he's working on the T1 line connection or something.... Dthknight: so it's temporarily on an ISDN line. Chloe: ok so is someone gonna let me know when he is finished? That's old news does nybody know if he's working on it right now? Mauz: he's been working on it all weekend Bille: <--- looking at watch... has to disconnect in 40 mins... Chloe: ok well then there's nothing we can do about that. Chloe: We'll just go on the best we can. Dthknight: Chloe go ahead and talk, just realize we may miss portions of your speech :) Chloe: [Continuing speech] mgib: yes, I remember this weekend.. a long time ago Dthknight: if the server goes wfs or near-wfs again. Chloe: I have a list of blocks/teams that have not submitted reports yet. Chloe: I'll email them to let them know that we are ready to receieve the reports Bille: armygeddon: *points finger at himself* Bluescruiser: Chloe: And let the core group know that we are finished so we can proceed with the restoration of ground zero mgib: I wonder if blocks are able to answer a mail..teams maybe. Chloe: and any of you that know you have not received the reports please do so. Chloe: That will expedite things much more quickly. Chloe: I'm very proud of the work that everyone has done thus far. Dthknight: hear hear :) Dthknight: (or is that here here? oh well *shuts up*) Chloe: Everyone who has submitted reports are to be congratulated. Chloe: We're ALMOST FINISHED!!!! Chloe: Let's get this thing OVER with! LOL! Chloe: then we can move on to the REST of Alpha World! LOL! Dthknight: only almost? ok which lazy bums have been not turning in their reports? :) Mauz: i thought the hardest part is just beginning... armygeddon: *claps* good job mgib: hey! I'm not finished, I'm not that old Chloe: You're right Mauz. The hardest thing is the beginning. Mauz: i said that? heh Dthknight: can't tell in the lag huh Mauz? :) Chloe: I have made a distribution list of all the core group members and will be emailing them as soon as I receive the rest of the reports Chloe: and we will begin restoration of GZ Dthknight: *ignores ICQ e-mail* sorry Army, Omega, your mails will have to wait :) Chloe: I only have ONE block that has not been claimed to document and eight blocks that I have not gotten reports on. Dthknight: tut-tut 8 blocks :) Dthknight: (shuts up) Chloe: So let's rally and get this documentation portion over with so that we can prove ourselves to "The Powers that Me" that we are sincere and dedicated to our project. Dthknight: powers that me? Bluescruiser: lol Chloe Chloe: Me=Be. LOL!!! Chloe: Oops! LOL! Chloe: don't I wish! LOL armygeddon: hehe my mail was directly for Omega :) Dthknight: *re-shuts up* - in fact *puts keyboard on floor* Mauz: Freudian slip? ;) Chloe: Okay. Q&A Mauz: ? Dthknight: alright no need :) Bluescruiser: Chloe: maybe Mauz. LOL Chloe: Q&A anyone? Mauz: ??? ! armygeddon: CHloe, I turned in a report but... Bille: :) Dthknight: 3 questions and a comment Mauz? :) armygeddon: you said I was missing something?? Chloe: As you may have noticed, our documentation reports have generated AWHS 1-70 Mauz: :) or can i just ask? Dthknight: Rules for Q^A: Type ? on a blank line for a question, and ! on a blank line for an answer. Wait for Chloe to call on you. Mauz: ? Dthknight: that felt good :) DMs Ghost: folks, hi Chloe: these are sites that have been reverted to AWHS control and those sites will have passes that the core group uses to restore GZ Chloe: Hi DM DMs Ghost: Um DMs Ghost: sorry to interrupt but armygeddon: *waits* Chloe: yes DM? DMs Ghost: we stand a chance here of the same DMs Ghost: situation we had last nite Chloe: that's okay. We're doing okay. DMs Ghost: while my server is back in on ISDN for upgrades... Dthknight: 'stand a chance' hmm it was already somewhat similar :) DMs Ghost: well yah but I turned off the web art :) Dthknight: but yes we're doing fine :) Chloe: yes we know Chloe: we don't need art. LOL DMs Ghost: just now DMs Ghost: ok just so you know mgib: we need beer though, any on ISDN? Chloe: :) thanks honey Chloe: and thanks for coming to the meeting DM DMs Ghost: Yer just better off with AW for this week or so armygeddon: knowing is half the battle :) Chloe: You ARE in the core group you know. *wink* DMs Ghost: no comment :) Dthknight: there, a beer :) Chloe: *hugs* DM Bille: Dthknight: hey where it go? Chloe: Mauz has a question DMs Ghost: *sits with hands folded* (I gotta go soon tho) Dthknight: aw poo my beer disappeared Dthknight: er mgib's beer :) Chloe: k fine DM just sit here as long as you can. Dth I'm drinkin it did you want the last sip? armygeddon: *takes Dth's beer* under age buddy :) Chloe: [Chloe gives the floor to Mauz] Dthknight: what you deleted it Chloe? :) Mauz: well those AWHS-numbers were one of my questions, good to have it settled... i've been seeing them all over AW :) Mauz: Q: who's in the core group now? Chloe: yes I deleted the beer right in my tummy, Dth. Dthknight: ahh found it - it's right behind Bluescruiser, I think... Chloe: Okay Mauz do you understand now the numbers all over AWGZ... Bluescruiser: get yer own! Chloe: some of the people who built AWGZ, vandalism/trash have also built in other places in AW and since they are.. Dthknight: there, beer 4 mgib :) Chloe: ...NAC, all their objects in AW would possess that number. Chloe: Any other questions? A&A Chloe: Q&A Mauz: ? Chloe: NOT AA! I haven't drunk near enough beer to qualify for AA! heehee Chloe: Mauz? Mauz: well, that wasn't my question, as i said, you had already answered it :) Mauz: my question was, who's in the core group now? Bluescruiser: Err .... ok... but the first sign of anyone's keister, and I'm calling them..... Chloe: oh ok. cool. Paul: Does this mean it won't be long before the "Don't Register" signs and junk will be gone? Chloe: I have a list of the core group members. Please everyone hold off talk about beer while i type it out for everyone and for the log Chloe: coregroup members include: Chloe: Henrik G, Grover, Wepwawet, Mindman, the real Pops, digiGardener, Spring Dew, Mauz, Billie, Mauz: Billie = Bille :) armygeddon: lol Bluescruiser: Bille: gosh... am I listed there, too... when am I supposed to sleep?? :) grover: wow, that's hardcore! Chloe: Omega, Lucrezia Borgia, Queen Bee, Chloe, Hodglim, Ravenshadow, Laurie Ann, and Dataman Chloe: You GET no sleep! LOL Dthknight: er didn't you forget grover Chloe? :) Chloe: Mauz does that answer your question? grover: i was #2, dth :-) Mauz: he's 2nd Chloe: Oh YEAH! Grover's in the core group. Mauz: ok grover: do i get to beautify my own property?? Dthknight: ahh yes Chloe capitalized your name so I missed it :) Chloe: The list i just gave doesn't necessary list them in any particular order. :) Chloe: yes Grover. Bluescruiser: Only the bit in the restricted area, grover Mauz: no no HenrikG goes before grover no doubt grover: do i have to? i kinda liked it dumpy and nostalgic ;-) Dthknight: LOL Mauz armygeddon: well...time for me to depart Mauz: i'm sure it's been listed as an eye-sore already :) grover: not in MY alphabet, buddy! Chloe: well grover you can do it any way you want hon it's your stuff. :) Mauz: bye armygeddon armygeddon: CYA!! Chloe: bye armygeddon.:) Bluescruiser: Bille: bye Army Mauz: cya at the Fun Run :) Dthknight: bye Army Chloe: any other questions? Comments? Flames? LOL Beardo: bye army :) Mauz: Paul had one... Dthknight: good Mauz reads the ng's :) Mauz: about the timetable i think Chloe: Paul? Question? Chloe: Chloe gives the floor to Paul grover: when will the cleaning up begin? Paul: Does this mean all the junk signs will be gone soon? Chloe: Paul: Yes. all the junk signs will be gone soon. Mauz: how soon? Bluescruiser: ? Chloe: Grover: As soon as I get all the reports in, we can start the restoration. And then all the signs will be gone. Chloe: Chloe gives floor to Bluescruiser Mauz: but what kind of a time limit will you give? grover: even the junk signs i built? uh oh... how will i be able to promote my world? Mauz: this thing was supposed to be done last spring... Chloe: Bluescruiser has the floor. Did you have a question Blues? Bluescruiser: Do signs that say "Click here to Teleport to..." qualify as "junk"? Chloe: I know Mauz it's hard to get people Motivated. Mauz: :/ Chloe: Blues: It depends on if they are NAC or not. Some may. Some may not. Mauz: Lara has those signs there :) Dthknight: hehe Mauz :) Bluescruiser: I suggest that we move them out of the way when necessary, but not delete them Chloe: Lara has what kinds of signs there? Dthknight: "NW Builders Supply (click)", Chloe Mauz: "click here to go to north west builders supply" Mauz: Dth! my line mgib: should we call Eep's grey wall junk? Mauz: it's not NAC Chloe: If she is an active citizen then we'll probably need to leave it. Mauz: ...neither is Lara, her luck ;) Chloe: Mgib:Eeeps grey wall is a part of his site at GZ mgib: hmm.. no comments.:) Mauz: Lara is a member of AWHS! :p Chloe: I'm negotiating with the peacekeepers, Enzo and JP about that. Dthknight: his site? he don't have a site there :) Chloe: thanks for bringing it up./ kellee: perhaps the owner should not be taken into account just the age and the merit of the structure? sorry only my opinion Chloe: yes he does. Dthknight: it's called cottage blocking and a teleport to Cubed or somewhere... Mauz: ? Dthknight: ...and Cubed don't even exist anymore... Paul: ? grover: I had a tall grey wall once, but it was knowcked down to 1m tall for aesthetic reasons. perhaps we can use the same reasoning now? I'll go up against Eep on it if nobody else want to, heh heh Bluescruiser: mgib... I'm more concerned about the ^&^&%& invisible teleports Eep has put on the streets Chloe: the cottage will be unblocked. We deal with sites within the timespan of June '95 to June '96. Mauz: ? Beardo: that one is gone. Dthknight: AW GZ is like Free4All... small plots and don't waste land grover: July '95 u mean, chloe :-) mgib: did he? I haven't seen any. well not there much Chloe: the invisibile teleports are something that I haven't begun to deal withYET Chloe: yes Grover Beardo: the invisible teleport is gone. Chloe: cool beardo thanks mgib: anyway AWHS only deals with NAC Mauz: ? Chloe: Anyone else? Mauz? Bluescruiser: I suggest we telegram him repeatedly, saying "Delete this, you jackass" Mauz: what have you been negotiating with PKs and CoF exactly? about beautifying even the citizens' stuff? Chloe: mgib that is true Dthknight: mgib: but if some of Eep's metal walls are blocking NAC property, we have to deal with them. Beardo: has to go :( monitor shut down..... Mauz: bye Beardo... Chloe: mauz: about deleting the grey wall of Eeps. grover: will we have suppotr from the PKs to delete more recent and citizen stuff that's interfering with the historical restorations? Chloe: yes we do dth, and we are in the midst of negotiation Mauz: but Chloe, isn't that a matter of taste? Bille: bye beardo King Tex: Paul had a ? Chloe: Grover: YES we have TOTAL support with the PKs they are in constant communication with me about deletions. grover: Yes mauz: my opinion and the wrong one! Mauz: i mean, is AWHS starting to deal with non-NAC properties too? Chloe: Mauz: Matter of taste is irrelevant. It depends on if a site/object is within our time period. Mauz: oh... mgib: normally not Mauz Dthknight: oh matter of taste is irrelavent hmm that don't sound right Chloe: NAC properties usually come within our time period. If they do not then we collaborate with the PKs on deletion. Mauz: well ,we need to have a revised agenda for AWHS then Bille: ? Paul: ? kellee: and if the site is properly covered ? Chloe: Taste has nothing to do with the preservation of sites/objects. we are dealing with historical preservation and not a judgement call on beauty. Chloe: kellee what do you mean? Mauz: so the wrong thing about his walls is...? Chloe: Billie and Paul: Hold on a minute. Dthknight: hardly anything near GZ is properly covered kellee kellee: i mean thats is all that should be touched isnt it? Chloe: His walls cover a historically preservable property. Dthknight: that they block the view of property, Mauz... and the asthetics some see in them. Dthknight: His walls cover property by a reg'd citizen, Chloe. Chloe: Dth: yes kellee: the owners wish preserved just the ground covered properly? Mauz: aestethics can't be a reason, that was just said mgib: the wrong thing is he has stolen land to mask others' properties but it has nothing to do with AWHS Dthknight: yes Mauz, I was saying what people could find wrong with them. Chloe: Kellee: Yes Chloe: Billie had a question Bille: are the NAC objects that are not within our period not to be included in our reports? Dthknight: Not what AWHS could find wrong with them. Bluescruiser: exsqueeze me? he slole land? Chloe: Billie: No Dthknight: Blues: leave it until after the meeting Bille: oki mgib: sure he did Blue Chloe: Does that answer your question billie? Dthknight: long story which mgib can tell well since his land was some of it that was stolen :) Bille: yes Chloe Chloe: Paul had a question. Paul: This may not be the time or place, but since you're restoring GZ, I think we need a new Teleport Part, controlled, where folks can put teleport to their sites they would like others to see. Paul: park Mauz: btw Chloe... it's Bille, a Norwegian name, not American :) Dthknight: Paul: think how big teleport parks are... for example Ground Ten (1441NE in AW)... Bluescruiser: Chloe: Paul: COF has a teleport park, and we may adress that in the future but it's not in our plans right now. Dthknight: ...we're not bulldozing all of GZ to make room for that :) Bille: (thanx Mauz:) Dthknight: exactly if you ask me half of AWGate should be set up for that. Chloe: Mgib: what was your question about Eep stealing land? Mauz: but those teleports beside GZ, are they updated? Paul: I know. It would have to be carefully planned and NOT use the Teleport objects. Mauz: could we stick to AWHS things pleeeeeez... mgib: I had no question, just a remark it's about alive citizens and not the business of AWHS Chloe: Mgib: Well it is the business of AWHS if the sites in the GZ area have been stolen. Lara: hi Mauz: hi Lara :) Bluescruiser: Hi Lara mgib: I don't think so, nothing to do with NAC Chloe: This might negatively affect things witin our time period. If someone after our time period has affected what we are trying to historically preserve. Dthknight: Chloe: it's dealing with registered citizens though, and no NAC property whatsoever. Dthknight: hi Lara :) mgib: all this is previous to AWHS creation anyway Chloe: NAC property is exactly what we are dealing with. Mauz: it was Dataman's fault... he cleaned up his historical stuff for anyone to grab :) Dthknight: CHLOE: He stole (apparently) mgib and Queen Bee's land. He blocked Gordin's cottage. All of these people are registered. Chloe: Doesn't matter. if it is before AWHS, most of the properties/sites we are dealing with are previous to the AWHS inceptions grover: but what's the date on the citizen-ownend property. If the building existed in our period, we're still chartered to restore it, regardless if the owner registered or not. After all, most of the stuff we deal with is vandalism Chloe: They are dealing with things that occured between July 95 and June 96. That's our criteria. mgib: some NAC properites at GZ hasve been deleted and stolen but it's before AWHS, nothing to do about it Dthknight: Gordin's number is in the 13xxxx range Dthknight: which means he most likely registered after June '96. mgib: but you can't deal with properties which doesn't exist anymore Chloe: there's nothing we can do about the things that are already gone. Understood. mgib: right Chloe: That's why we are here. to try to prevent that from happening in the future. grover: ...no bringing back bar zero :-( mgib: right Dthknight: This whole Eep/mgib/Gordin/Queen Bee lot is after June '96, all involving registered citizens. Dthknight: so I don't think it really has much do to with AWHS. mgib: agree Mauz: to prevent what? citizens cleaning up their own land? but there's restricted radius now Dthknight: yeah, let alone COF changing the size of the bounding box on sign3, Mauz... grover: that radius isn't all that large, mauz. It extends only about 20m into built-up land... Mauz: oh ok Chloe: and your point, grover? Mauz: anybody can delete their own land, and then anybody can claim it :) Chloe: that's true Mauz grover: Perhaps if COF really wanted the GZ region to remain pristene and historic, they'd extend the restricted radius to 1km. Mauz: so should we prevent that, in the name of blocking historical properties? Dthknight: grover: or, perhaps they would restore it to the way it was before the PK's began deleting the odd vandalism here and there... Chloe: Grover: Would you like me to contact them about extending the area? mgib: we can't Mauz Chloe: Dth: That won't happen. Chloe: Wed have to do a total backup of GZ and lots of things have changed since then. grover: well, it depensd what they want to do. If they Do expand the radius, GZ can never be updated. Bluescruiser: Grover: Re, 1km restricted radius.... bite yer tongue Dthknight: hehe I know but it seemed grover was going in the preservation direction instead of 'cleeanup' :) Chloe: We're going for the preservation direction also Bluescruiser: brb grover: for instance, the links on my mailbox are hopelessly out of date bacause my mailbox + page link are restricted. but there's no chance of vandalism either ;-) Dthknight: Chloe: yes but deleting vandalism and finishing properties... Mauz: how far should the radius be extended then? Chloe: We already have passes for all the properties/objects that occurred between July 95 and June 96 and we will be RESTORING them. mgib: raising the radius makes a dead zone bigger, don't you think GZ is OLD and never change? Dthknight: ...as opposed to what grover was saying which sounded like leaving everything alone. Bille: i think extendinding the gz radius will only make the whole area boring, nothing new around, no reason to take a walk... kellee: can we contact registered citizens ASKING for their cooperation? or is that a niave question? mgib: agree Bille grover: well, i mean *after* we restore GZ. to prevent more vandalism Mauz: i have property about 20 coords from GZ :) mgib: start to ask Eep, kellee.:) Chloe: Kelle: That's a good question. Perhaps you would like to be in charge of that? Dthknight: grover: hmm... kellee: oooks me and my big mouth Lara: you don't want that job, kellee :) grover: ...since 90% of the people who built really close to GZ are there shouldn't be much complaint... Chloe: as far as extending the area of GZ, I'll have to talk to you at length. Chloe: Grover that is true Chloe: Kellee so what do you say? LOL Dthknight: not to 1km, though... keep it to the area of the AWHS restoration (300m, I believe?) grover: yeah, of course ;-) Mauz: Dth no... couldn't change my stuff then :) kellee: er er er i dont think i have the weight of name to pull it off mgib: maybe we could ask "number one" to make GZ less ugly?:) Chloe: We DO need more communication between AWHS and the citizenry Bluescruiser: back kellee: the request would have to come from some one well known and liked Bluescruiser: ? Dthknight: LOL mgib :) grover: I was thinking more in terms of a 150m limit. this would prevent any leakage from people chatting at GZ. Chloe: Kellee: You can communicate in the name of AWHS. You could be my Vice President! I've been looking for one. LOL Lara: kellee...stand firm! :) Dthknight: Chloe: kellee already has a lot to do :) grover: lol mgib Bille: so if the radius is 300 meters, will i have to close down the AW Info Squares? kellee: lol oooks i think ill just crawl back into my silent mode for a while and think here Chloe: Billie: No Bluescruiser: Why not cover the land when we do a preservation...that will prevent vandalism Dthknight: er Chloe: yes Chloe: Kellee: okay. You think on it hon and let me know. Dthknight: the land wouldn't be accessible... that's what sucks about restricted radius. Bille: Chloe: the square is updated every week.... Chloe: Blues: That is exactly what we are going to do mgib: yes Blue, that was the plan Dthknight: If we could just restrict 'NEW' building, and allow 'OLD' objects to be changed... Mauz: how about 120m... that's how far you can see from GZ Chloe: Billie: You're part o the core group. You have the ability to preserve your area. Bille: oki, that'll help... Chloe: Dth: There will be no new building in GZ mgib: the radius isn't AWHS concern, just to preserve NAC Bluescruiser: But I have a house near GZ too.... and sometimes I play musice there Mauz: no new building? never? Dthknight: Chloe: there are some small gaps here and there, maybe not in the AWHS area but nearby for sure :) Dthknight: and say one day Bille decides to give up his land - that means new building of some kind... Chloe: Well not for awhile because GZ will be restored. I forgot what the radius is now. But I've been assured there will be no new building within that radius. Paul: No new building? You're not going to just leave empty space are you? grover: well, the radius was just an idea of how to absolutely prevent any more vandalism/destruction. But i think it's more of a last-ditch effort, if covering fails. Chloe: if anyone decides to give up their land and delete their rwxs then yes there will be new building. mgib: agree grove Mauz: preservation shouldn't make GZ stale and boring... Dthknight: yeah but grover how do you cover the little itty bits and pieces of land near GZ? Chloe: grover: everything will be covered. There will be no spaces for vandalism/trash to be entered. Bluescruiser: Dthknight: with a mouse Dthknight: Blues: there is no grass piece 1mx1m :) Dthknight: and some gaps are smaller than that even Mauz: so can you build in them? Chloe: AFTER we have restored space, I'll get with COF and we'll decide what to do with vast spaces Mauz: anyway, that's for the core group to do :) grover: we take the NAC accounts and but them against each other. using walk8 underground or something at the very least... King Tex: I bet grover could make one : - )))) Bluescruiser: no, but there's a 1m sprite that could sink nicely underground. Dthknight: there is space for vandalism here and there Mauz... grover: lol tex grover: we have that nice AWHS sign to fill up teeny little corners :-) Mauz: if there's place for vandalism, there's place for AWHS too ;) Bille: i think it would be a good idea to leave an open "ditch" somewhere wher people can put their teleport signs... the ditch can be deleted every month... Dthknight: row upon row of AWHS signs, grover? I think that's vandalism :) Mauz: underground! Chloe: after the core group is finished restoring the area that we have been alotted to us, then we can decide what to do after that. grover: besides- who says we *can't* moev that tree 1m to the left so that we can cover a property with grass? Bluescruiser: There you go, Grover Chloe: We're jumping the gun here. We need to finish restoration first, and then we will figure out what to do with the empty spaces. Dthknight: grover: what of the case when it's a citizen tree? Chloe: We don't even know where the empty spaces are yet. So we'll take this one step at a time. Dthknight: I sure HOPE we aren't moving citizen trees... Chloe: we aren't moving citizens anything. We're focusing on NAC here. Bille: citizen's can be tg'ed Mauz: yes grover: will we have emminence for this job, or just an access password for the NAC account? I'm asking because the server will assign a new date. that tree we moved 1m will be marked Nov 98 instead of aug 95. Chloe: Eeps grey wall is a special case andwe'll work with COF on that. That is not the norm. Dthknight: ok Chloe, see what you just said? means we don't touch Eeps wall. Chloe: NAC acount passes Dthknight: (unfortunately, as much as I'd like to see it go :) Mauz: why a special case? Dthknight: Eep's wall is a special case? well what about Wepwawet's endless cover that I (with Omega) documented? Mauz: what's the limit for touching citizens' properties, besides obvious vandalism? Chloe: Because Eeps wall is negatively affecting that which we are trying to preserve. i.e. NAC property. mgib: that's God's privilege Dth, Gods gave the wall the Eeep, only them can take it back Dthknight: well, relative endless... unused land... Lara: negatively affecting that...how? Mauz: which NAC property? Chloe: In areas like Eep's wall, we work with COF to insure everyone's satisfaction. Dthknight: yes which NAC property? Dthknight: Gordin's cottage is registered... Bluescruiser: Dthknight.... when we decide that, then we can "preserve" Mars..... Chloe: Mauz: The NAC property the grey wall covers up: i.e. the cottage behind it. mgib: it's negatively affecting exisitng citizen properties like Gordin's cottage Lara: everyone? That being the people who don't like Eep? Dthknight: "work with COF" gee the people who gave him ED, that'll sure work :) grover: I have examples where a piece of my wall is missing because of pre-existing vandalism. If a piece of crap is obviously impinging on a work, do we finish the construction? Mauz: Gordin is registered!!! Dthknight: hehe Blues :) Mauz: can't Gordin work it out with Eep? Bille: i thought PK were able to help Gordin? Mauz: do you have to involve CoF and PKs there? Chloe: Lara this has nothing to do with who likes who. Whether it was Eeps wall or someone else's, it's still affecting NAC property. It represents what AWHS is here to prevent and preserve. mgib: right Gordin is a citizne Dthknight: yeah, Eep's wall is the PK's realm, not AWHS Mauz: CHLOE LISTEN IT'S NOT NAC Dthknight: IT IS NOTAFFECTING NAC PROPERTY! Dthknight: GORDIN IS REGISTERED! Dthknight: (don't make me turn on my PS) Bille: :)) Bluescruiser: shouting. Chloe: The Pks and I are in constant communication. Mauz: thanx Dth :) now stsop shouthing ;) Chloe: Gordin is registered. He has a right to have his cottage shown. mgib: mayeb but disputes between citizens is PKs business not AWHS Dthknight: Yes Chloe, but IT'S NOT AN AWHS ISSUE! Lara: I'm amazed Mauz: uh... Chloe: Look, there are areas where our responsibility and the responsibility of the PKs overlap and we're cooperating with them on those areas. Mauz: so are Eep's walls vandalism? Chloe: DON'T WORRY! ITS COOL! LOL Dthknight: they're citizen vandalism that the PK's should deal with independently, IMO mgib: no, the vandalism is Eep.:) Lara: exactly, dth... Bluescruiser: LOL mgib =0) King Tex: Can we please get back to the subject we are here for ????? Dthknight: AWHS should not get involved in the case when it does not involve NAC property whatsoever. Mauz: sorry Chloe, i just think you shouldn't act on behalf of AWHS in this... can't you just act as an ordinary citizen? Lara: exactly..in that it is a PK matter...not an AWHS matter mgib: right Chloe: Mauz: It's not a question of vandalism. We are dealing with NAC properties AND vandalism/trash in GZ that we have been given privy to.. Dthknight: right Mauz, Lara Chloe: Mauz what are you saying exactly? grover: brb, making dinner Bluescruiser: ? Chloe: I am NOT an ordinary citizen. I am the founder of AWHS. ?! What do you want from me? LOL Dthknight: Blues you'll be waiting forever :) Dthknight: Chloe don't get cocky now :) Lara: this all goes back to what is "vandalism/trash" to one person, may not be to another... Mauz: but Eep's walls are not an AWHS issue, so why are you asking PKs to do something about them? mgib: I'm confused, does this mean in GZ area AWHS can deal with building from exisitng citizens, Dthknight: yes, and I thought we were dealing primarily with NAC property and stuff effecting it, be it NAC or not... Chloe: The Alpha World Historical Society is here to preserve AW. This is just a start. Mauz: ...if not just as an ordinary, concerned citizen Dthknight: NOT citizen vandalism effecting citizen property. Bluescruiser: Does this mean the "Junkman/Garbageman" will accompany the restoration teams to deal with citizen vandalism? Chloe: Mauz: Eeps walls disfigure an historical site. Mauz: this is just a start of what??? sounds frightening... mgib: to preserve NAC Chloe: I believe they should be removed. Do you all not? Mauz: NO Lara: Grodin's cottage is the historical site? Bille: Chloe: Gordin's cottage is not that old, i guess it was built spring 97... Chloe: yes bluescruiser the garbageman/trashman will be helping us. Dthknight: CHLOE: EEP'S WALLS DO NOT DISFIGURE, BLOCK, OR VANDALIZE NAC PROPERTY! Dthknight: IT IS REGISTERED CITIZEN PROPERTY Lara: No..I do not think Eep's things should be removed. Mauz: my motto is: anything goes Bille: lol Dthknight: I'll be quiet now :) Mauz: that's why i came to AWHS... to let all NAC properties stay :( Dthknight: I think they should but not related to AWHS matters. Bluescruiser: well, there's your answer... leave the citizen's crap to Junkman/Garbadgeman's discretion. Dthknight: Eep's walls are for PK's, not AWHS, to deal with. Chloe: It was my understanding that Eeps walls impinged upon an AWHS site: the cottage. I will go back and look. grover: either way it's vandalism or it's not vandalism. it's the PKs call, not ours, because Eep is a registered citizen. mgib: I think it shouldn't be removed, it's historical!! the wall of the most idiot in AW!:) Paul: In the AW Radius, one should not be allowed to through up just any old thing one likes that may be deemed by many to make the place ugly. Dthknight: and the PK's, Blues, exactly. Lara: lol, mgib Dthknight: LOL mgib :) Bille: i have to run... bye all Chloe: lol mgib Bille: hehe mgib:) Bluescruiser: Later, Bille Chloe: bye billie thanks for coming Dthknight: Chloe: they do not, how many times do you need that drilled into you? :) Lara: bye bille Chloe: you'll be hearing from me. :) Mauz: bye Bille :) good night Bille: nite Dthknight: Eep's walls block registered citizen property. Chloe: Dth: point taken. Dthknight: Therefore (IMO and that of most everyone else here) they are not to be dealt with by AWHS. Chloe: I'll look at the area again. Dthknight: where Mauz go? Mauz: Q: if we are to expand AWHS's scope... do we have CoF's support for that? Mauz: (am i gone?) Dthknight: you're not checked on my list Mauz :) mgib: I have a pict there wich block the wall, is vandalism of vandalism a vandalism?:) Lara: Nor should AWHS try to convince PK's to deal with what is a matter between registered citizens...nothing to do with NAC historical property Dthknight: took you off and re-added you :) Bluescruiser: Q: define "expand AWHS's scope" please Mauz: ...to non-NAC properties, as Chloe said Dthknight: Mauz: good point, and I think what also needs to be asked is do the members want AWHS's scope expanded? Chloe: We're getting into a political danger zone here. Let me try to explain please. grover: I'm afraid of citizen backlash if we do try to extend our scope. mgib: I can't imagine it Bluescruiser: q: define "Expand AWHS's scope".... ie... expand in what way? Dthknight: I know I don't... AWHS should deal with NAC properties and vandalism that affects them. Thats it. Mauz: "Chloe: The Alpha World Historical Society is here to preserve AW. This is just a start." Chloe: AWHS is the Alpha World Historical Society. We are dedicated to preserving all of the historical sites of AW. Lara: I agree, grover...I think "expanding the scope"..if it begins to deal with registered citizens properties is indeed moving WAY beyond with the AWHS should be involved in. Dthknight: *preserve*, Chloe... *historical sites*=NAC property. Chloe: We're not JUST talking ground zero here. That is our focus right now. We're trying to prove ourselves here. mgib: right Dthknight: right Lara Dthknight: we deal with 1) NAC properties, 2) NAC vandalism, 3) citizen vandalism next to NAC properties. Bluescruiser: If we don't treat citizen's property as "hands off" there WILL be a backlash Dthknight: We DON'T deal with 1) citizen properties, 2) citizen vandalism not next to NAC properties. Lara: Chloe...all the more reason to be extra careful not to overstep ourselves ...not to extend AWHS into dealing with citizen property... Mauz: yes, that's what i meant earlier, if we are revising our agenda now... or not? Chloe: historical sites do not necessarily mean NAC property ONLY. For example, Grover's work should be historically preserved, UNLESS he decides othewise. Paul: historical site wouldn't be limited to NAC only Dthknight: Grover's work should be left to grover to decide, Chloe Paul: oops. yeah what she hust said mgib: no, he is still ALIVE, and can preserve it without AWHS, with the help of PKs if needed Lara: When did AWHS become concerned with "historical sites" of registered citizens?? Chloe: it's his property after all. Dthknight: exactly mgib mgib: if grover want to delete it, it's his right Lara: exactly, mgib Dthknight: (for the third time) AWHS deals with NAC property, NAC vandalism, and citizen vandalism effecting NAC properties. NOT with registered citizen land. Mauz: citizens should have the right to delete even sites deemed historical Mauz: that's a copyright issue or something Lara: yes Chloe: Lara: AWHS has ALWAYS been dedicated to preserving AW as best as possible. NAC sites and objects are our primary focus. And we work WITH PK to preserve that which is not NAC. Dthknight: as long as they are their own Mauz :) Bluescruiser: In the rare cases where citizen's property needs to be changed, ie moving a tree to the left/right... we could ASK PERMISSION...... mgib: AWHS subsitute to builders who aren't citizizen anymore so can't preserve their building Dthknight: Eep shouldn't be able to delete Mount Bob, for instance :) Mauz: Chloe is that in our agenda? since when? Chloe: that's true Dth Chloe: and mgib Dthknight: Chloe: we work with PK's on non-NAC property? no we don't. Mauz: i've never seen such revised rules! Dthknight: PK's work on non-NAC property, by themselves, along with who owns them. grover: but grover has completely ignored a good portion of his property. Even more it littered with vandalism. Grover should be shown the report and asked for approval. Chloe: since always mauz. Dth yes we do. i'm in communication with PK about NAC and NON NAC properties. Lara: Well, I sure misunderstood what AWHS was for...then. I thought it was to preserve NAC properties of historical value mgib: never AWHS had in its goal to deal with non NAC, whether they are considered as valuable ot not Dthknight: Chloe: if we do then no-one told me. Mauz: Chloe i think we should have known that earlier :( Chloe: Mauz we';ve never had any published rules. Lara: This is news, Chloe Chloe: we have a charter Dthknight: Chloe: mgib published rules in the discussion center. Mauz: :( Chloe: why is this news? Dthknight: which you agreed to if I remember rightly. grover: are any members of our core team also PKs? that might streamline things a bit... mgib: the charter is clear, only >NAC Lara: It's the way the charter is being interpreted that is bothering me, Chloe Mauz: apparently the rules are decided as things go?! Dthknight: Cos you haven't told us of the change Chloe. Dthknight: yeah I think that's it, Lara, Chloe is "interpreting" it... Dthknight: ...the charter can't be 100% clear on it though, or this wouldn't be happening. Mauz: well, maybe Chloe has the right to decide the rules, she's the founder... but i think we should have been told Mauz: i didn't agree to this! Chloe: As I said this is a political danger zone. I have BEEN in communication with the PKs over the last three months. We haven't had a meeting in three months. I neglected to add that in my speech earlier. Dthknight: yes Chloe can decide rules but we need to be told before anything is done about it. mgib: no, the charter is clear AWHS is the will of citizens through a large panel of them, not of one person Dthknight: Chloe a political danger zone or not you can't avoid it. Mauz: i just want to know the rules to a society that i'm supposed to uphold... Dthknight: I want to know the rules so I know whether to write a resignation letter or not! Chloe: I am NOT saying that AWHS has sole responsibility in regards to non NAC property. we work with the PKs in those areas. Mauz: Dth... don't :) mgib: to avoid political danger zone, AWHS shouldn't deal with non-NAC properties Dthknight: Chloe: I'm saying AWHS has *no* responsibility with non-NAC property THAT DOESN'T EFFECT NAC PROPERTY. Mauz: mgib, that may be what the charter says ;) but i think Chloe is the key person here... Lara: Being in communication with the PK's.... but if that means speaking on behalf of AWHS, urging PK's to delete registered citizen properties that has nothing to do with vandalizing NAC historical sites...I just cannot go along with it Dthknight: (Just IMO, of course) mgib: AWHS should have NO responsibilities at all in non-NAC building, only to mention what affect NAC Chloe: mgib we are dedicated to preserving AW. We have no power over nonNAC. When it comes to nonNAC property that AWHS is dedicated to help preserve we work with the PKs in that area. grover: are any members of our core team also PKs? Dthknight: AWHS DOES NOT HELP PRESERVE NAC PROPERTY! Dthknight: WE WERE NOT TOLD OF THAT (or if we were, I forget :) Mauz: "nonNAC property that AWHS is dedicated to help preserve" again :( Dthknight: er, does not help preserve non-NAC property :) Lara: Meaning...AWHS will try to urge PK's to delete..for example Eep's wall...because that is really what this is all about :( Dthknight: we DO preserve PAC property :) Dthknight: er NAC mgib: Mauz read the charter again, Chloe is the president, and acts in name of members, that is has to refer to members for decisions and orientations Mauz: been playing with PacMan again? ;) Dthknight: Lara - yup. PK's and PK'S ONLY should deal with Eep's wall. Paul: Well I hope you would help preserve my NAC property if it needed help. Bluescruiser: Sounds about right to me Dthknight. Chloe: we are not deleting any sites/properties. Objects only Dthknight: AWHS should not even be involved with Eep's wall. Mauz: ok mgib that's true... but it's just a piece of paper, isn't it? ;) i mean _in reality_... Chloe: PAul has a good point. When non NAC property is concerned, it is AWHS's responsibility to help citizens preserve their property. Lara: But it sounds to me as if ..."communicating with the PK's" Dthknight: it's not even paper, Mauz, it's a DC post :) mgib: of course Mauz, we know what is a piece of paper;:) Dthknight: to 'promote' them to preserve it, but not to touch it themselves, Chloe. Mauz: i think if CoF needs to decide between Chloe and AWHS... they choose Chloe .) Lara: that you are suggesting to them what you think is vandalism, Chloe...and urging deletion of what registered items you want to see gone Bluescruiser: Q: What of citizens who built with more that 1 account before registration.... can they get their old land back? Mauz: i think for CoF Chloe is AWHS, not us Lara: I think you are right, mauz Mauz: so Chloe's line... is AWHS's line mgib: if a piece of non NAC building is vandalizing a NAC, AWHS should report to PKs, and PKS decide Mauz: but i still want to know what it is! Dthknight: I honestly don't know - she's AWHS's "representative" for sure though. Dthknight: mgib: well, I think that's the touchy issue... Dthknight: ...but Eep's walls are not vandalizing NAC so AWHS should not touch them. Not even tell PK's of them. Chloe: okay. What are your thoughts on Eeps wall in front of the cottage? Mauz: irrelevant Lara: Leave it alone..that is for Eep and Grodin mgib: Mauz, that's the problem of English "power to the people" but what is the plural of "people"?:) Dthknight: Now Chloe could go to the PK's and say "this wall looks like vandalism" Dthknight: but NOT AS AWHS Bluescruiser: Chloe: annoying as hell, but not our problem mgib: it's a shame, but the cottage isn't a NAC, not AWHS business Dthknight: hehe agreed Blues :) Dthknight: right mgib grover: I say leave it alone. We can always deal with it later, but once we delete something, it's gone forever. "If in doubt, leave it alone" Dthknight: PK business, Eep's business, Gordin's business, only. Mauz: ok but we are not overthrowing Chloe now, are we? so is this the new agenda for AWHS now? Chloe: so everyone is in agreement that Eeps' wall in front of Grodin's cottage should fall to the PKs responsibility and not in the realm of AWHS? Chloe: point taken grover. Mauz: aye mgib: Dth, many said it's vandalism, PKs know already Dthknight: Chloe: aye Bluescruiser: agreed, Chloe Lara: yes, chloe King Tex: I've never seen it ...so this entire subject is non relative to me mgib: yep grover: i've never seen it either... Mauz: :) Dthknight: Seen it in Beta myself Chloe: okay. then eeps wall and grodiin's cottage should be given to the PKs for consideration. Everybody in favor say aye. Bluescruiser: aye Mauz: aye #2 grover: eye Bluescruiser: I King Tex: I Lara: aye..if there will be no pressure by AWHS to have PK's deal with it mgib: yes Dthknight: Chloe: Eep's wall and Gordin's cottage should not be forwarded, we have nothing to do with them. The PK's find it by themselves. We shouldn't tell them. kellee: I m silent having not seen it Dthknight: if we tell them I think pressure will slip through without us even realizing. Mauz: but kellee.. what about the principle? Chloe: There will be no pressure. the ayes have it. We will abstain. grover: there's a form to report vandalism, dth: we can use that :-) Lara: the pressure is already there Dthknight: yes good idea grover. Mauz: but what about in the future? does AWHS deal with non-NACs too? Bluescruiser: 1 more point before we begin restoration....Q: What of citizens who built with more that 1 account before registration.... can they get their old land back? Dthknight: not as AWHS of course, as "grover" or "Mauz" or "Lara"... Chloe: I have not communicated to PKs regarding that wall or cottage yet thus far. I was going to. mgib: anyone can report personaly, and it has been done a lot, even by eminent citizens Lara: Thank you, Chloe :) Dthknight: Chloe: *are* you going to? and if so, are you going to do it as "AWHS" or as "Chloe, ordinary citizen"? kellee: the princible is.....could eep as a normal citizen have built this wall? if it was because he has special privs from cof surely its cofs buisness? Mauz: Bluescruiser, they had a chance to get 1 old account... it's how CoF decided Chloe: Blues: They can only get their old land back i they have a password to that old account. King Tex: Blues ...if that citizen buys a second registration using their old # they can reclaim that property Dthknight: and $20, Chloe mgib: yes kelle, not peasants business;:) Bluescruiser: the orignal password you mean? without having to pay for a second registration? Chloe: Dth: I am not going to say anything either as an AWHS rep. kellee: lol Mauz: kellee, he claimed land after Dataman, but it was deleted by Midnight Madness because somebody said it was vandalism Dthknight: ok I'm happy now Chloe, thanks :) Mauz: so he got ED from ENZO to get it back mgib: and with it deleted more land Dthknight: LOL COF taketh away, COF giveth... Mauz: CoF's left hand doesn't know... :) Dthknight: supposedly mgib, yes... again that's a danger zone... Bluescruiser: So... Eep used ED rights to steal land? grover: gotta go... dinner beckons! l8r all! kellee: ohhhh i see well then its nothing to do with presavation and a lot to do with eep and enzo and between them? Mauz: no to get back his old land Bluescruiser: later, Grover mgib: yep Ble Dthknight: yah kellee, nothing to do with AWHS. Mauz: bye grover Dthknight: Mauz: yes, and according to some steal more. Chloe: thanks for coming grover! Email me if you have any thoughts that might help. Mauz: well, that's for CoF to correct Mauz: Chloe are the rules changed now? Dthknight: COF to correct? LOL Mauz they gave him the ED that he (supposedly) stole land with! Chloe: no the rules are not changed now. kellee: ahhh ok ill mind my own buisness i think far be it from me to tell the gods what to do LOL Mauz: i'm not saying that CoF will correct it, they're just the only people who can :) Paul: Thought everyone wanted power to the people, now you want COF to fix it? Bluescruiser: Now, Dthknight, I don't think that they would approve of abuses like that Dthknight: yes, through the PK's too Mauz, but I guess that's COF. Mauz: yes with non-NACs Dthknight: Blues: don't be so sure... King Tex: are there any more questions or comments regarding the restoration issues that this meeting was called to address ???? Chloe: we each get to speak our minds on the issue. And OUR minds have a little more weight than the average citizen. Dthknight: ...realize those who's property was stolen were "COF enemies" so to speak... Mauz: :) so's Eep Dth... Dthknight: so is Eep NOW Mauz :) Dthknight: he wasn't then :) Mauz: so why don't CoF correct it NOW? if they're something wrong being done Dthknight: because they don't think, Mauz, they're as dumb as those sign2 fence posts :) Chloe: Any more questions? Mauz: no AWHS questions from me :) Chloe: so are you cool, Mauz? Mauz: cool? cool Bluescruiser: Ok, I believe that CoF has made some monumental blunders... but I don't think they act with malace mgib: evil or stupid you have to choce.:) Dthknight: Blues: matter of opinion. I don't think they have in very many cases either - just a couple here and there. Lara: and sometimes not with "aforethought" , either :) Chloe: cool Mauz. I'm glad. :) Email me if you have any further questions later. Mauz: no i think we got things settled? Dthknight: cases of Xav, mgib, and Homeless Joe come to mind. Chloe: we all agree that COF doesn't do things the way we would like them to but we are working in the best of our ability to attain our goals. Mauz: CoF giveth... CoF taketh away :) Lara: The goal of AWHS being to preserve NAC historical properties :) Mauz: and we're working at their mercy... amen Dthknight: yup Mauz... COF changeth minds... Dthknight: their own, no less... Mauz: well, i don Mauz: oops Chloe: we are but a lowly organization within the community :)) Mauz: don't think they have changed they're minds about AWHS yet? Mauz: we still have the green light... Dthknight: Mauz, I meant they changeth their minds about things a lot :) Mauz: they're=their Mauz: irrelevant Dth :) Dthknight: i.e. they say 'we must take away Eep's land it is vandalism' then give him ED to get it back :) Bluescruiser: err, they HAVE an opinion about the AWHS? Mauz: unless the meeting is over? then we can talk about CoF :) Chloe: JP has the ultimate confidence in us: AWHS Mauz: ok good :) Chloe: If there are no other AWHS questions, I call this meeting to an end. Dthknight: yes I wasn't saying they changeth their minds about AWHS :) Mauz: well Dth, then it was irrelevant as to the proceedings ;) mgib: ultimate confidence?? now this is a danger zone ! LOL! Paul: See y'all later Mauz: bye Paul... Bluescruiser: Muhahahaha Dthknight: yeah but how were we proceeding anywhere Chloe? :) Queen Bee: wow...serious download here!!! Lara: Thanks Chloe...I'm glad you called this meeting.. Chloe: lol mgib King Tex: meeting adjorned Dthknight: we were chatting, not meeting, for half of that meeting :) Lara: hi QB Queen Bee: hi lara :) Dthknight: hi QB :) Chloe: dth NOW we need to get the rest of the reports and finish the restoration of ground zero. Mauz: hi QB... it's over :) Chloe: hey QB! Dthknight: yah Chloe, but I sent in my report already, thanks :) Queen Bee: :( I've missed everything today. Queen Bee: hi Chloe Dthknight: including talk about Eep's walls QB, which AWHS is not touching. Mauz: and we missed you in city4all :) Queen Bee: BURN 'EM DOWN!!!!!!!!!111 Mauz: haha mgib: you can't touch it, it's electrified! Bluescruiser: kelle you are STILL a triangle.... Dthknight: based on the fact that they are citizen property which is not blocking NAC property. Chloe: heeheehee Queen Bee: all I have is triagles kellee: sorry blues Mauz: kellee, mgib and QB we're the people whose stuff was deleted there i think? Chloe: QB you just stand there and load. :) King Tex: DM is working on the server and has the artwork turned off QB Queen Bee: LOL!! god knows I'm trying to get loaded. :) Dthknight: hehe QB gets to float in blue void :) kellee: ahhh Chloe: Unless anyone has any more questions, I'm outta here. :) I'm gonna go spend some time with SubGenius. Bluescruiser: floating in a blue void..... reminscent of the 60's Queen Bee: is it like this for all of you? mgib: yrep he is switching to a Morse server Mauz: bye Chloe :) have fun ;) Bluescruiser: Bye Chloe kellee: bye chloe thanks for your time Dthknight: QB: not for those of us who have cache already for this world. Mauz: it was a very useful meeting i think Queen Bee: haven't been here in a long time Lara: QB..I saw your post about that damned green check.. I think of it as That Damned Green Check™ Wish it were optional! ;-) Dthknight: me want red check Dthknight: me want red check Queen Bee: a lot of people do Lara. :) Chloe: *waving* bye! Dthknight: me want red check Lara: the check is in the mail, dth :) Lara: bye chloe Dthknight: LOL Lara Dthknight: bye Chloe :) Bluescruiser: Queen Bee: well, Downloads are finished and still only blue. :) Mauz: waiting for that e-mail, Chloe :) Queen Bee: Just no rubber checks, please. Mauz: yeah no green check... since we can't even be tourists anymore :) mgib: yes blue IS the sky here Dthknight: Mauz yes we can Lara: try e/e, QB (exit to another world and come right back here) maybe that will force the d/l to get going again Dthknight: that was someone's SUGGESTION :) Mauz: noooo.... Terri said no Queen Bee: where are you mgib...I don't even see your cute little triangle!! :) "A Tourist": why can't we be tourists? Mauz: just causing trouble... *brr* Dthknight: so? who's Terri? some world owner? who can't even control her own public building world? :) "Mauz": lurker!!! mgib: I'm here, "TouristsRule": who, me? :) Queen Bee: :) mgib: the triangle with the funny socks Queen Bee: hi hi hi :) Dthknight: what, Butch has funny socks? :) Queen Bee: King Tex is awfully quiet Mauz: well, i guess i should go to sleep already... bye Lara :) Dthknight: and who are these people hovering above?